as-built incomplete

[Fishboy137]

2014 f150 5.0
Can anyone explain to me:

For the BdyCM (BCM) the as built data on the motorcraft webpage as well as the downloadable file only contains blocks 1-47.
The BCM requires 68 blocks.
Where is this information obtained? FORScan is recognizing this as an error as well as the BCM is not functioning properly due to it, or so I believe this is the root cause of the operating fault.

Thanks

[tractmec]

2014 f150 5.0
Can anyone explain to me:

For the BdyCM (BCM) the as built data on the motorcraft webpage as well as the downloadable file only contains blocks 1-47.
The BCM requires 68 blocks.
Where is this information obtained? FORScan is recognizing this as an error as well as the BCM is not functioning properly due to it, or so I believe this is the root cause of the operating fault.

Thanks

Could you explain how you came to the conclusion that 21 blocks/addresses are missing or that more than 47 are required?
What diagnosis has been done on the errors, DTC's ect. that has lead you to conclude that missing AsBuilt addresses is the cause?
What error is FORScan showing in relation to missing Asbuilt data?

I pulled a couple of 2014 F150 Vehicle ID numbers from car-part.com and loaded those trucks Asbuilt from fordserviceinfo.com and found only 726-01-01 to 726-47-01 BCM module Addresses existing so it would seem that for that model year that is a normal BCM AsBuilt Configuration!

As Far as The AsBuilt that returns from Motorcraft/fordserviceinfo, that is the configuration that the vehicle VIN left the factory with!
If your BCM is showing more addresses in FORScan than your vin returns at fordservice than it would seem that the vehicle has had a new BCM from Ford installed with a later Part number revision or the BCM from a later Model Year or a re-manufactured BCM has been installed in this vehicle that has those extra addresses!
If the extra addresses are showing either All "F" or 0 with a check sum in the last two character spaces, then those address are blank=(F) or (0)=Turned off and not being used in this application!

Checking the Part number on the BCM(May Need to remove it) would be the next step! Original Part number installed at the factory appears to be DL3T-14C442-DA and Latest Part Number revision from Ford Parts Online for this Model and year looks to be DL3Z-15604-B!
Ford Parts online shows 5 Part number revisions/super-cessions for this module!

That is only some ideas that come to mind for this discrepancy!

More information about the problem you are having would help! Some research into the vehicles history(Module replacement/PMI with dealer IDS) may also be helpful!

FORScan may very well give an error message relating the difference in the number of addresses from the Original AsBuilt file if attempting to reload the Factory Asbuilt! Usually it will ask if you wish to "Load Anyway" and write what is in the original file up to the original address and ignore the extra addresses(Personal Experience)!

Just some semi educated guesses and may not be helpful?

[ifrythings]

Just to add to tractmec post, some modules will have extra as built for things that are programmed later, for example on 08-10 Superduty trucks the BCM (SJB) only has 11 blocks on Fords site but the BCM has 24 blocks, the extra blocks are for the keyless entry remote ID’s and remote button count (blocks 12 to 15 are remote button counts and blocks 16 to 23 are remote ID codes, not sure what block 24 is yet). Same thing with the ACM, radio station presets are saved in the as built data, they may or may not be included from Ford’s site.

[Fishboy137]

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[Fishboy137]

2014 f150 5.0
Can anyone explain to me:

For the BdyCM (BCM) the as built data on the motorcraft webpage as well as the downloadable file only contains blocks 1-47.
The BCM requires 68 blocks.
Where is this information obtained? FORScan is recognizing this as an error as well as the BCM is not functioning properly due to it, or so I believe this is the root cause of the operating fault.

Thanks

Could you explain how you came to the conclusion that 21 blocks/addresses are missing or that more than 47 are required?
What diagnosis has been done on the errors, DTC's ect. that has lead you to conclude that missing AsBuilt addresses is the cause?
What error is FORScan showing in relation to missing Asbuilt data?

I pulled a couple of 2014 F150 Vehicle ID numbers from car-part.com and loaded those trucks Asbuilt from fordserviceinfo.com and found only 726-01-01 to 726-47-01 BCM module Addresses existing so it would seem that for that model year that is a normal BCM AsBuilt Configuration!

As Far as The AsBuilt that returns from Motorcraft/fordserviceinfo, that is the configuration that the vehicle VIN left the factory with!
If your BCM is showing more addresses in FORScan than your vin returns at fordservice than it would seem that the vehicle has had a new BCM from Ford installed with a later Part number revision or the BCM from a later Model Year or a re-manufactured BCM has been installed in this vehicle that has those extra addresses!
If the extra addresses are showing either All "F" or 0 with a check sum in the last two character spaces, then those address are blank=(F) or (0)=Turned off and not being used in this application!

Checking the Part number on the BCM(May Need to remove it) would be the next step! Original Part number installed at the factory appears to be DL3T-14C442-DA and Latest Part Number revision from Ford Parts Online for this Model and year looks to be DL3Z-15604-B!
Ford Parts online shows 5 Part number revisions/super-cessions for this module!

That is only some ideas that come to mind for this discrepancy!

More information about the problem you are having would help! Some research into the vehicles history(Module replacement/PMI with dealer IDS) may also be helpful!

FORScan may very well give an error message relating the difference in the number of addresses from the Original AsBuilt file if attempting to reload the Factory Asbuilt! Usually it will ask if you wish to "Load Anyway" and write what is in the original file up to the original address and ignore the extra addresses(Personal Experience)!

Just some semi educated guesses and may not be helpful?

First off, thank you for your time. I will do my best to stay organized in this response.

CMDTC:
Accessory Protocol Interface Module(APIM)
U0155:00-2B Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module 'A' Continuous Memory DTCs

Front Controls Interface Module(FCIM)
U0155:00-0A Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module 'A' Continuous Memory DTCs

Heating Ventilation Air-conditioning and Cooling(HVAC)
U0140:00-0A Missing Communication With BCM(Body Control Module) Continuous Memory DTCs

Instrument Panel Control Module(IPC)
U0140:00-0A Missing Communication With BCM(Body Control Module) Continuous Memory DTCs

Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
U0422:00-2F Received Invalid Data From Body Control Module Continuous Memory DTCs

Modules:
Original BCM: Ford P/N EC3T-14B476-BA, Ford Kit P/N DL3T-15604-GA
Salvage BCM : Ford P/N EC3T-14B476-BA, Ford Kit P/N DL3T-15604-FA

I also pulled VINs from Copart (found one with the first 12 digits identical), downloaded both VINs files and the format of the as-built data from https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt/Details has the same block count for all modules when comparing the two different VIN, 726-01-01 to 726-47-01.

FORScan is showing 726-01-01 to 726-68-01 for the BCM, but is only retrieveing (during Load Factory AB) 726-01-01 to 726-47-01 from https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt/Details. I opened the file that FORScan retrieved and it is in fact identical to the one I downloaded manually.

When I "Load Factory AB" with FORScan BdyCM PMI I get the error "Number of blocks in file and module doesn't match. Continue anyway?"

Here is the background.
I was called out to an independent shop after they performed a PMI of the BCM (due to a parasitic draw) with a Snap-On Zeus, which was reported a succesful. They were not able to Gain Pats entry. I arrived and the salvage BCM is still installed at this point. I naturally turned off all loads but the blower would not turn off. I brought to the shop owners attention the the blower motor was running at one speed whenever the vehicle was turned on and all other HVAC functions were inop. He stated that this was not happening with the original BCM. I attempted pats entry and was able but several attempts at keys and parameter reset both failed, no matter the order operation. I did not make note of any DTCs that may have been present on the network. I proceeded to save the current BCM as built to file and then "Load Factory AB". This is when the match error popped up and having never ever seen this error before I proceeded,knowing I had the original as built file saved. After the as built was written and BCM reset I still was able to gain pats entry but keys failed and so did parameter reset. I told the shop owner that I could attempt FJDS programming but could not guarantee the results since I have seen salavage BCMs fail to program in the past. He decided to take it to the Ford dealership so the independent shop reinstalled the original BCM and now the vehicle would not crank, he called me, I explained that the handshake between PCM/BCM was probalby compromised and that I would come back and attempt Pats this time with the original BCM. He also noted that the blower was no longer stuck on with the original BCM reinstalled. He decided to tow the truck in to Ford rather than have me attempt Pats. Ford was able to PMI and Pats the salvage BCM but stated that the vehicle was not running properly (a new symptom) and the blower was stuck on. The shop owner told them to reinstall original BCM. They did the PMI and Pats to the original BCM and the vehicle now runs properly again but the blower is still stuck on. Ford told the independant shop that they were unure of the root cause and the shop brings the vehicle home. Soooooo they call me back in and thats when I restared with this dang f150 at the bottom and I find all the DTCs listed above. Then I find the as built data that the dealer installed not matching the day one data that I saved to file. I saved their data to file for safety. I loaded into the FORscan the as built file that I manually downloaded from https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt/Details arrivng with the same data and symptoms.

NOTABLE: relative to this vehicle and the "copart vehicle", all as built data observed in (and saved)from FORScan all have 68 lines however all the files from https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt/Details contain only 47 lines for the BCM. I unsure as to what FORScan is deciding when it loads the 47 lines but then arrives at 68.
I was able to indetify One line, line 3, in the first 47, that was either one of two different entryies. Also lines 59,60,66,67 had two different entries among the different as built loads.

By playing around with the blocks (using lines from the various "versions" of this massacare) I was able to eliminate;
Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
U0422:00-2F Received Invalid Data From Body Control Module Continuous Memory DTCs.
And then the;
Front Controls Interface Module(FCIM)
U0155:00-0A Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module 'A' Continuous Memory DTCs

I still have three DTCs left and still have a stuck on blower.
I also took a look at a few other modules such as pc, apim, and hvac and all of them have the same type of descrpency with FORScan showing many more blocks of as built than https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt/Details and it's downloadable file.

All the modules that are showing U codes will all comm. with scan tools and respond to commands.
I CAN control blower speed with the scan tool.

Below are the block lines that are observed to be different. Cant seem to find the correct combination to make all the modules happy. Cant unerstand where the "extra" blocks are originating from.

Observed discrepancies,

Block 3
0101000134
or
0201000135
Block 59
83DD929B14
or
83E0A2C854
Block 60
A2C80000F8
or
000000008E
Block 66
C31254AC69
or
C472814590
Block 67
C472814591
or
0000000095

To wrap things up, the truck came in for a parasitic draw and the shop did a PMI with Zeus. I came in and saved the transferred as built which matches the first 47 lines from https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt/Details ( the remaining lines a mystery). The truck comes back from Ford and does not match the lines from https://www.motorcraftservice.com/AsBuilt/Details, does not match the lines 59, 60, 66,67, and we have U codes. It appears that some cobination of lines has remedied two of five codes at this time but the hvac is still malfunctioning.

THANKS!!

[Fishboy137]

Just to add to tractmec post, some modules will have extra as built for things that are programmed later, for example on 08-10 Superduty trucks the BCM (SJB) only has 11 blocks on Fords site but the BCM has 24 blocks, the extra blocks are for the keyless entry remote ID’s and remote button count (blocks 12 to 15 are remote button counts and blocks 16 to 23 are remote ID codes, not sure what block 24 is yet). Same thing with the ACM, radio station presets are saved in the as built data, they may or may not be included from Ford’s site.

Thanks for that info. I can add that in the case of this 2014 f150 that when I've changed any of the extra lines, it has not affected anything that I can verify other than one or more combinations appears to have solved two comm DTCs