Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

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stefanch
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by stefanch »

Hello,

It seems that there are many problems regarding this shit engine.
I have same problem, i went to official dealer and they said that car is ok, all values on tester ok, injectors calibrated, etc.
Regen from 5 km to max 50 - 60 km.
I made a professional chemical cleaning for DPF ( unmounted and let in cleaning solution over night, cleaned with high pressure water next day ) and i got 120 km until 1-st regen , after that car started to make regens 20 - 30 km again. So DPF is not the problem, it looked verry good, cleaned, etc.
I went back to service and we let the tester on while driving. All values looked fine but exhaust pressure sensor jumped to value 450 when i accelerated harder. Max value should be 150. Differential pressure had no high value, but the exhaust sensor detected high pressure.

Today i made a trip on highway, i let the car at 90 km/h for about 1 hour after regen and I noticed that DPF_PM_ACC rise from 0 to 0.14 ( what should be normal) but than jumped directly to almost 6 in few seconds ( i took an exit from highway for turn around and i accelerated ). Car stared regen immediately, DPF_PM_ACC went to 0 during regen and then jumped again immediately to 6 again in a few second and car starts new regen, just few seconds after finished one.
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Any ideea what is going on?

Thank you,
spektr
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by spektr »

This looks like some software issue or sensor issue. You can reinstall pcm software at the dealer and maybe check dpf exhaust sensor, some first series of that sensor were faulty I think.
stefanch
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by stefanch »

Hello,

In my case i think i solved the problem.

1-st, i did a chemical and water pressure cleaning of DPF.
2-nd, 3 - 4 runs on highway with the pedal to the floor until car reach max possible speed ( ~ 160 km / h ) and keep it there on lower gear ~ 4000 - 5000 rpm as much as possible. I thout the engine will blow up, is diesel, is not made to be used like this..
3-rd, used a cheap DPF cleaning solution that you put in the diesel tank. It cost about 7 euro but did the job.

After 1-st step, i did not noticed improvement, just the 1-st run i had 120 km between regen, then the car started to make again ~20 km.
After 2-nd step, i had 1 or 2 longer trips without fast regen ( about 100 km), but in the rest, car did regen every 20 - 30 km.
After 3-rd step, i noticed a big diference. 1-st regen at about 120 km, then 140 km, then 240 km... i never had these ranges before.
Now i'm at the 2-nd full tank and using the DPF cleaning solution, i will use again next full tank and after that i will stop using the cleaning solution and see if there are diferences.

I think not only DPF was a problem, but all evacuation system was dirty, including sensors, conections, etc...
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by spektr »

So u think stp dpf cleaner did the trick?
stefanch
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by stefanch »

I don't know, i think that i just got lucky with all 3 steps.
I read about these cleaning solutions before but i did not found them as "magic problem solver "
I think that 1-st cleaning DPF with chemicals ( they let the DPF in solution over night ) and water pressure next day was the most important.
Then i got upset when i saw that the car made only 120 km after the DPF cleaning and i just pushed it like hell... WTF... you blow up or you work like you should do... really was a risk and i was willing to destroy the engine, but it seems that something happened and car made a few runs without regen. I think that cleaned DPF helped the rest of exhaust to clean better than usual and made some changes there. I think that all sensors and connectors and pipes and whatever stupid shit they put in the exhaust were still full of dirt and still causing problems but with cleaned DPF all system was able to push out the dirt and was helped by the rage run to do it. Really i pushed that engine like hell, work to the limit or die and i send the car to scrapyard.
Then i had this idea to try a cleaning solution and i was amazed by the result.
I don't think that 1 single step will do the trick but for me there is an amazing change.
Now i have fuel consumption 7,9 / 100 km. before i had 9.8 L / 100 km. Is a big improvement. Also i noticed that car is pushing better to high speeds, Normally it was dying at ~ 140 km/h , with big luck and long drive i could reach 160 km / h. Now i noticed that reach 160 km / h much easier.
Is still not good enough for a 2.2 engine with 2 turbo... my old 2005 BMW 3 series 320i with 2 L engine with no turbo was doing 200 km / h with no problem and medium fuel consumption 8 L / 100 km . Same 150 HP like Mazda.. but i think BMW have different kind of horses.... who knows..
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by Mareng »

I would suggest you read this topic from the first post, there maybe a few pointers that could help you.
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by Herre »

Hi all,
I have a Mazda3 2014 2.2D. 167.000 km aprox.
I'm experiencing strong jerks and motor stopping, it does not always happen but when it starts it's impossible to continue driving. If I stop a few minutes and then I turn on, the car works fine again. I've been tracing values with Forscan and saw that whenever problems start, I am having fuel pressure values way bellow the desires ones.
The dealer says I have problems with at least two injectors.
They are going to ask denso for reconditioned injectors, but not sure it this is gonna be possible, so they might have to use new ones.
@Mareng in your experience using reconditioned injectors by the supplier is a good option or I have the risk of having erosion problems like you mentioned in the post several times.
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by Herre »

stefanch wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:12 am Hello,

In my case i think i solved the problem.

1-st, i did a chemical and water pressure cleaning of DPF.
2-nd, 3 - 4 runs on highway with the pedal to the floor until car reach max possible speed ( ~ 160 km / h ) and keep it there on lower gear ~ 4000 - 5000 rpm as much as possible. I thout the engine will blow up, is diesel, is not made to be used like this..
3-rd, used a cheap DPF cleaning solution that you put in the diesel tank. It cost about 7 euro but did the job.

After 1-st step, i did not noticed improvement, just the 1-st run i had 120 km between regen, then the car started to make again ~20 km.
After 2-nd step, i had 1 or 2 longer trips without fast regen ( about 100 km), but in the rest, car did regen every 20 - 30 km.
After 3-rd step, i noticed a big diference. 1-st regen at about 120 km, then 140 km, then 240 km... i never had these ranges before.
Now i'm at the 2-nd full tank and using the DPF cleaning solution, i will use again next full tank and after that i will stop using the cleaning solution and see if there are diferences.

I think not only DPF was a problem, but all evacuation system was dirty, including sensors, conections, etc...
Hi @Stefanch,
What software are you using? This is not Forscan, right?
I would suggest you use Forscan with the following PIDs:
PM_ACC
PM_ACC_DSD
PM_GEN
REG_DIS
REG_REQ_A
EXHPRES1
DP_DPF
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by Valiv1985 »

lowend wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:36 pm The PM_GEN values does not take into account the current state of the filter. As a result, individuals with good combustion and high-quality fuel may surpass the PM_GEN threshold, despite having only half-full filters.

Each Sky-D owner's situation is unique, and it is not advisable to push the system to its limits, as this can cause filter clogging. One way to gauge the safety of the system is to look at the value of DP_DPF at idle. It is difficult to determine a safe value, but I have successfully regenerated it with 2.1 kPa down to 0.4 kPa, which I consider to be the maximum.

It is a common belief that those who disable their EGR tend to regenerate later, which is thought to be due to slower clogging of the filter. However, this might not be the case. The control unit operates in a slightly different mode and calculates values for PM_ACC differently, so the filter may clog in a similar way as before, but the regenerations are considerably delayed. The table I recently sent showed values of around 1.6 kPa with EGR disabled, compared to 1.1 kPa previously, supporting this idea.

Interestingly, the control unit initiated the regeneration even though I had not reached the required values for regeneration, which are known to be around 5.5 g/l.

I cannot determine all the factors that affect the growth of PM_ACC_DSD or PM_GEN, and my observations are merely speculative. However, I have discovered that the values decrease when the measured temperature at EXHTEMP2 exceeds 450 °C for at least 2 minutes. 450 °C is the initial point where the values decrease slowly, so to speed up the process, it is necessary to set it to 550 °C.

Another issue is that PM_ACC_DSD also decreases in this mode, which is an undesirable state. To combat this, I used a timer circuit to reduce the PM_GEN values to the required level for a necessary time (for example, 8 minutes), and after this time, everything returns to normal.

If you want to try this mode, there are a few things to consider:

1. It's at your own risk.
2. If you regenerate too often and only based on PM_ACC, I would not recommend this modification. Also, if you do not have the necessary tools, you may get stuck halfway through.
3. Access to the EXHTEMP2 sensor connector is difficult unless the engine is removed. The cable is additionally held by a piece of bracket on an M10 nut. I reached the nut from the bottom of the engine, and the right front wheel had to go down together with the plastic that protects part of the timing belt.
4. When the sensor is disconnected, you need to figure out how to reconnect it, or you can cut it off and connect another cable with extra jumpers leading to the cabin, as I did.
5. Whether you will control it with a circuit or a simple switch is up to your imagination. As an example, I recently sent a bridging diagram. Someone will surely be able to do it more intelligently.

Finally, here are some approximate values of the NTC sensor:
90 kΩ - 51 °C, 20 kΩ - 125 °C, 4 kΩ - 255 °C, 600 Ω - 525 °C, 80 Ω - 1134 °C
80 kΩ - 54 °C, 10 kΩ - 171 °C, 3 kΩ - 282 °C, 500 Ω - 562 °C, 70 Ω - 1176 °C
70 kΩ - 58 °C, 9 kΩ - 180 °C , 2 kΩ - 328 °C, 400 Ω - 613 °C, 60 Ω - 1224 °C
60 kΩ - 63 °C, 8 kΩ - 190 °C , 1 kΩ - 431 °C, 300 Ω - 686 °C, 50 Ω - 1271 °C
50 kΩ - 69 °C, 7 kΩ - 200 °C, 900 Ω - 448 °C, 200 Ω - 815 °C, 40 Ω - 1289 °C
40 kΩ - 79 °C, 6 kΩ - 215 °C, 800 Ω - 470 °C, 100 Ω - 1060 °C, 30 Ω - 1289 °C
30 kΩ - 95 °C, 5 kΩ - 232 °C, 700 Ω - 495 °C, 90 Ω - 1096 °C, short - 1289°C

Perhaps it would be helpful to start a new thread for this topic. Currently, the mode is relatively untested, and the results in the future are uncertain
I was just wondering if you managed to write a separate thread for the pm_gen mod with a step by step guide. I know this may require some of your spare time which I appreciate you might not be willing to sacrifice on writing guides, but I am really interested in trying this mod and can't seem to get to the bottom of it, mostly on the wiring part. After searching the Internet I managed to find your posts on mazda klan, you provide more details there, but I'm still stuck in fully understanding how you made the wiring on the cable, what wires from that cable are coming into the cabin and how you connected the rezistor and relay. If one of these days you will be willing to share the information preferably with more detailed photos or sketches, it would be much appreciated and I'll certainly be the first to try
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Re: Mazda CX-5 2.2 SkyActiv-D - DPF filling fast

Post by Christian89 »

Hi all,

New to the forum but ive been reading what you guys have been discussing for the past several months. Bought a second hand Mazda 2.2D skyactiv 2016 10 months ago and although generally nice to drive i am experiencing the frequent regens and sump filling fast. Regens are approximately every 60 miles and running feels a little rough at low engine speeds. Already had to change oil once, probably mostly due to failed regens. Hopefully now i know about it the sump level wont rise as quick.

Just thought it would be worth mentioning that after searching Autodoc for new injectors for this model, it comes up with two different Denso injector parts, one of them saying upgraded OE spec and costing about £100 more per injector at about £445 total. See the attached images.
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